If d/f+3 hits a moving opponent he gets a free d/f+4,4 or d/f+1,f+2 spike. Wake Up: 2/3 Kaz's d/f+3 hitting grounded is a great addition to his wakes ups as he now has a safe mid option to go along with the pluthera of lows that already hit grounded like HS, d+4 stomp and d/b+3. Keep Out: 5/5 EWGF, a 14 frame move that will do about half life on hit, good range, fat hit box, unpunishable, and not easy to punish on whiff. d/f+1,4 works as an OK mid punisher at best, but it doesn't come out too quick. he lacks a quick, long range move like DJ's ff2 or Hei's d1 or deathfist. EWGF covers all the rest, which is the only reason he's still around the 4 area. Whiff Punishment: 4/5 He doesn't have enough to punish low pokes/low jabs. For even longer recovering lows he has ws+2 which also does around half life Offense: 5/5 With mid like f+4, ff+3, d/f+1,4 d/f+1,2 d/f+2 and lows like d/b+4, HS, d/b+3 he's got all he needs to break a turtle down. TP is a huge launcher that punishes a ton of lows and does around half life, when lacking in range he has ws+4,4 which still does a nice chunk. 1+2 for -12 which is one of the best in the game at that frame disadvantage. He also does about 60 damage from a 13 frame move. Damage: 3/3 EWGF and ff2 combos do half life. d+1 also keeps you from moving so he can setup his damaging lows if you lay there. He doesn't have a mid option that hits grounded, but if you want to avoid the ground hit you gotta come up to duck, and with Hei's mids, thats not a very good time. Wake ups: 3/3 He's got the stomp, hellsweep and low backfist, all good options for hitting grounded opponents. Keep Out: 5/5 EWGF, like DJ's does half life, fat hit box, hard to punish on whiff, unpunishable. Not to mention easy-ass twin pistons if anything is whiffed up close. Whiff Punishing: 5/5 Like DJ, he's got EWGF and deathfist if they are abusing lows. Low backfist gives him frames, fc d/f+4 does nice damage to set up Hei's sick wake-ups and his throws provide great wake-ups if they get off. Single hellsweep is annoying and provides a good guessing game afterwards, on CH he gets a juggle. Although he doesn't have any scary lows or throws, they are just enough to get the job done. Offense: 4/5 Hei has got some ridiculous mids in ff+2, f+4, d/f+1+2, deathfist, 1+2, b+2 and the list goes on. Can punish long range moves with death fist, blocking low pokes he can get ws+4,4 and throws and sweeps and can stand up and twin piston. Anything -13 is destroyed, which is A LOT. Overal Rating: 26/26 Hei Punishment: 5/5 Twin Pistons, prolly one of the best punishing moves in the game. Laser throw is followed by more damage and maybe even wake ups. Damage: 3/3 His df12, hellsweep ender does more then half life. A practically free hellsweep mixed with a ton of other things to wreak havoc. Wake ups: 3/3 Almost all his juggles end in d/f+1,2 which sets up an incredibly sick wake-up game. Keep out: 5/5 EWGF, a 14 frame move that will do half life on hit, good range, fat hit box, unpunishable, and not easy to punish on whiff. He also has ss+2 and u/f+4 for safeness as well. Whiff punishing: 5/5 EWGF and dashing EWGF is pretty much it and all he needs. With ff+2 and u/f+4 as safe mids and ws+2, ducking isn't the best option either. Now give him a 10 frame throws that does over 50 damage and you absoulutely murder turtles. Offense: 5/5 Hellsweep, one of the best lows in the game, unseeable, over 40 damage with wake-ups. For moves with push back he has ff+2 and if your stupid good dewgf. He also has some of the best ws moves in the game to punish lows and ducked throws with ws+2 and ws+4,4. 14 is EWGF, doesn't get much better than that. *By the way MAD PROPS to SlipKicks for putting together this list.* Devil Jin Punishment: 5/5 112 is his main punisher from -10 through -13 which is pretty solid, over 20 damage with wake-ups. Oh and obviously Eddy's statistics apply to Christie too. It breaks down each character their statistics from defense to offense to punishers, etc. The first five are obviously the top five high tiers. Ok you MK fuckers here's some what the tier list for T5DR.
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